[Python-Dev] Python Package Management Roadmap in Python Releases (original) (raw)

Stephen J. Turnbull stephen at xemacs.org
Thu Oct 22 08:54:39 CEST 2009

David Lyon writes:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:38:26 -0700, Brett Cannon <brett at python.org> wrote:

David, you are making a huge leap here thinking that we even want a package manager in the stdlib.

Well - who is 'we'? If it's python-dev people I can accept and respect that.

Yes. The stdlib is a product of python-dev.

If it's regular developers out there in developer land,

They are not participants in this decision. python-dev people do care about them. Nevertheless python-dev is manifestly uninterested in dealing with this issue on behalf of the "regular developers out there". (With good reasons IMHO, but you can find those reasons elsewhere.)

To make progress here on python-dev, you need to get those regular developers involved in python-dev. I can think of two ways to do this that will help. (1) Turn them into committers via whatever aspect of the language they are interested in. This will take a while, and substantial contribution (ie, effort) on their part. Once that happens, they will be in a much stronger position to advocate the package manager and credibly promise to maintain it (or find a new, credible maintainer) indefinitely.

(2) Put the package manager on PyPI and get a lot of people on the bandwagon. If it's a good product and recommended, the movers and shakers of python-dev will be very likely to try it and more likely to second your motion in the future.

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