[Python-Dev] PEP 3148 ready for pronouncement (original) (raw)

R. David Murray rdmurray at bitdance.com
Sat May 22 22:40:16 CEST 2010

On Sat, 22 May 2010 10:09:37 -0400, Jesse Noller <jnoller at gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:59 AM, R. David Murray <rdmurray at bitdance.com> wr= ote: > On Sat, 22 May 2010 19:12:05 +1000, Brian Quinlan <brian at sweetapp.com> wr= ote: >> On May 22, 2010, at 5:30 AM, Dj Gilcrease wrote: >> > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Brian Quinlan <brian at sweetapp.com> >> > wrote: >> >> Except that now isn't the time for that discussion. This PEP has >> >> discussed >> >> on-and-off for several months on both stdlib-sig and python-dev. >> > >> > I think any time till the PEP is accepted is a good time to discuss >> > changes to the API >> >> I disagree. If a PEP is being updated continuously then there is >> nothing stable to pronounce on. > > Well, you've been making updates as a result of this round of > discussion. > > If there is still discussion then perhaps the PEP isn't ready for > pronouncement yet. =A0At some point someone can decide it is all > bikeshedding and ask for pronouncement on that basis, but I don't > think it is appropriate to cut off discussion by saying "it's ready for > pronouncement" unless you want increase the chances of its getting > rejected.

I commiserate with Brian here - he's been very patient, and has been working on things, taking in input, etc for awhile now on this. In his mind, it is done (or at least incredibly close to done) and opening the door in the conversation for more API nit picking and debate about the exact verbiage on method names means we're never going to be done splashing paint.

OK, so you are saying that the comments in question are bikeshedding. I can accept that easily. What I was trying to point out was that saying "discussion is closed" is not the best way to nurture community consensus. Saying "we've reached the bikesheedding point, let's pronounce" is a very different thing to my mind, even if it is only a matter of tone.

Have fun pronouncing ;)

-- R. David Murray www.bitdance.com

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