[Python-Dev] Goodbye (original) (raw)

Steven D'Aprano steve at pearwood.info
Thu Sep 23 04:35:13 CEST 2010

On Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10🔞39 am Tim Peters wrote:

Yikes - Mark has done terrific work in some very demanding areas, & I'd hate to see him feel unwelcome. So that's my advice: find a way to smooth this over. You're welcome ;-)

I'd like to second that. Mark has been pushy, annoying and demanding, although he has his bad points too grins.

Seriously, Mark has brought a remarkable amount of energy to the tracker, for good and bad. The good shouldn't give him a Get Out Of Jail Free card forever, but in the absence of any knowledge of what lead to Mark's tracker privileges being revoked, I have no objections in principle to giving him a second chance if the devs decide that is acceptable and Mark is willing. (Not that my objections carry much weight.)

Either way, I would like to publicly thank Mark for his efforts and wish him the best for the future.

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Have to confess I can't see what's offensive in what Guido wrote there. If you're inclined to feel offended, how about going back to Guido's:

Which to me sounds defiant and passive-aggressive. I don't want to go into analyzing, but I expect that Mark has issues that are beyond what this community can deal with. Even I felt a bit offended by that one ;-)

I don't see why. Mark's emails often do sound defiant and passive-aggressive. Is that something we're supposed to ignore? And as for issues, Mark himself has explicitly and publicly mentioned them on this very list, and we can't deal with them. Nor should we be expected to.

Mark has done good work, dealing with many issues in the tracker during a remarkably short time. But he's also managed to annoy and upset a number of people in a remarkably short time too. The long term health of Python depends more on the community than the existence of a few bugs more or less.

-- Steven D'Aprano

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