[Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 + distutils freeze (original) (raw)

M.-A. Lemburg mal at egenix.com
Mon Feb 4 19:30:03 CET 2013

On 03.02.2013 19:33, Éric Araujo wrote:

I vote for removing the "distutils is frozen" principle. I’ve also been thinking about that. There have been two exceptions to the freeze, for ABI flags in extension module names and for pycache directories. When the stable ABI was added and MvL wanted to change distutils (I don’t know to do what exactly), Tarek stood firm on the freeze and asked for any improvement to go into distutils2, and after MvL said that he would not contibute to an outside project, we merged d2 into the stdlib. Namespace packages did not impact distutils either. Now that we’ve removed packaging from the stdlib, we have two Python features that are not supported in the standard packaging system, and I agree that it is a bad thing for our users. I’d like to propose a reformulation of the freeze: - refactorings for the sake of cleanup are still shunned - fixes to really old bugs that have become the expected behavior are still avoided - fixes to follow OS changes are still allowed (we’ve had a number for Debian multiarch, Apple moving stuff around, Windows manifest options changes) - support for Python evolutions that involve totally new code, commands or setup parameters are now possible (this enables stable API support as well as a new bdist format) - behavior changes to track Python behavior changes are now possible (this enables recognizing namespace packages, unless we decide they need a new setup parameter) We’ll probably need to talk this over at PyCon (FYI I won’t be at the language summit but I’ll take part in the packaging mini-summit planned thanks to Nick).

+1 on lifting the freeze from me.

-- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Feb 04 2013)

Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/

::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! ::::::

eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/

More information about the Python-Dev mailing list