[Python-Dev] PEP 453: Explicit bootstrapping of pip (original) (raw)

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Tue Sep 17 18:38:31 CEST 2013

On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:25 PM, "R. David Murray" <rdmurray at bitdance.com> wrote:

This PEP looks great to me. Thanks to everyone involved.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 00:46:01 +1000, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote: Reducing the burden of actually installing a third-party package should also decrease the pressure to add every useful module to the standard library. This will allow additions to the standard library to focus more on why Python should have a particular tool out of the box instead of using the general difficulty of installing third-party packages as justification for inclusion. I don't think this PEP changes the inclusion calculus, because I don't think we've given any real weight to that in stdlib inclusion decisions. I think the decision making is already focused on why Python should have a particular tool out of the box.

When I originally wrote this statement I wasn't trying to say that modules were included because of the lack of an easy installer, but instead that a not insignificant number of people had wanted to include stuff and some of their reasoning that I had seen in the past included the difficulty in bootstrapping the installer.

So it decreases the pressure from others to include stuff for connivence not that it necessarily changes how python-dev itself weighs the decision to do so (but it might for some people?).

The only context I recall where "installation difficulty" has been considered relevant is the issue of corporate users restricted from installing 3rd party packages...which will not be affected at all by this PEP. --David

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