[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement? (original) (raw)

Barry Warsaw barry at python.org
Wed Sep 25 22:50:22 CEST 2013

On Sep 23, 2013, at 09:15 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:

With the last round of updates, I believe PEP 453 is ready for Martin's pronouncement.

I want to raise an objection to PEP's proposal to add this as a new feature to Python 2.7 and 3.3. I understand the rationale as stated here:

http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0453/#id38

but I still object. ;)

I think we've learned it's generally pretty risky to add new features in point releases, and this is a fairly major (and would be the first?) violation of the principal of Python 2.7's conservative maintenance.

At the very least, I'd like to know why there's no other alternative. For example, you could provide a PyPI package with this functionality, and let the binary packagers adopt it into their binary packages, for platforms that care.

So for example, Linux systems which start from the source tarball could opt out (by doing nothing special) since there are other ways to achieve a similar benefit. For OS X and Windows users getting binary downloads from www.python.org, I think it would be acceptable if the .dmg or .msi included this external package.

Why does it have to be added to the source tree for stable releases?

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