[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement? (original) (raw)

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Wed Sep 25 23:33:24 CEST 2013

On Sep 25, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote:

Why does it have to be added to the source tree for stable releases?

I think it should be placed in the source tree for the stable releases. The reasoning is that 2.7 is going to stick around for a long time. Immediately this won't be ubiquitous but as time goes on you'll be able to be ensured that a python -m ensure pip exists so that in situations where you don't have pip you'll be able to install it.

While not directly relevant to the change I do think this is something users support. I've received a fair but of feedback as I was writing the original draft of the PEP and then throughout the process when me and Nick were working on it. Almost all of it was positive (some of it extremely so) a fair bit of them pointed out the backport to 2.7 as something they were really wanting.

An early draft of this did not have the backport to 2.7 and when I showed that version around to get feedback people were less enthusiastic about it and generally viewed it as "nice but worthless to me for N years".

What users want isn't rationale in and of itself but I think it's an important data point, especially given how long 2.7.LASTEVER is going to be relevant to end users.

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