[Python-Dev] Bytes path support (original) (raw)

Oleg Broytman phd at phdru.name
Fri Aug 22 17:51:04 CEST 2014

Hi!

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 01:19:14AM +1000, Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info> wrote:

On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 04:42:29AM +0200, Oleg Broytman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 05:30:14PM -0700, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal <chris.barker at noaa.gov> wrote: > > This brings up the other key problem. If file names are (almost) > > arbitrary bytes, how do you write one to/read one from a text file > > with a particular encoding? ( or for that matter display it on a > > terminal) > > There is no such thing as an encoding of text files.

I don't understand this comment. It seems to me that text files have to have an encoding, otherwise you can't interpret the contents as text.

What encoding does have a text file (an HTML, to be precise) with text in utf-8, ads in cp1251 (ad blocks were included from different files) and comments in koi8-r? Well, I must admit the HTML was rather an exception, but having a text file with some strange characters (binary strings, or paragraphs in different encodings) is not that exceptional.

Files, of course, only contain bytes, but to be treated as bytes you need some way of transforming byte N to char C (or multiple bytes to C), which is an encoding.

But you don't need to treat the entire file in one encoding. Strange characters are clearly visible so you can interpret them differently. I am very much trained to distinguish koi8, cp1251 and utf-8 texts; I cannot translate them mentally but I can recognize them.

Perhaps you just mean that encodings are not recorded in the text file itself?

Yes, that too.

To answer Chris' question, you typically cannot include arbitrary bytes in text files, and displaying them to the user is likewise problematic

As a person who view utf-8 files in koi8 fonts (and vice versa) every day I'd argue. (-:

Oleg.

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