[Python-Dev] RFC: PEP 460: Add bytes % args and bytes.format(args) to Python 3.5 (original) (raw)

Georg Brandl g.brandl at gmx.net
Sat Jan 11 14:48:27 CET 2014

Am 11.01.2014 09:43, schrieb Nick Coghlan:

On 11 January 2014 12:28, Ethan Furman <ethan at stoneleaf.us> wrote:

On 01/10/2014 06:04 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:53:09 -0500 "Eric V. Smith" <eric at trueblade.com> wrote:

So, I'm -1 on the PEP. It doesn't address the cases laid out in issue 3892. See for example http://bugs.python.org/issue3982#msg180432 . Then we might as well not do anything, since any attempt to advance things is met by stubborn opposition in the name of "not far enough". Heh, and here I thought it was stubborn opposition in the name of purity. ;) No, it's "the POSIX text model is completely broken and we're not letting people bring it back by stealth because they want to stuff their esoteric use case back into the builtin data types instead of writing their own dedicated type now that the builtin types don't handle it any more". Yes, we know we changed the text model and knocked wire protocols off their favoured perch, and we're (thoroughly) aware of the fact that wire protocol developers don't like the fact that the default model now strongly favours the vastly more common case of application development. However, until Benno volunteered to start experimenting with implementing an asciistr type yesterday, there have been zero meaningful attempts at trying to solve the issues with wire protocol manipulation outside the Python 3 core

Can we please also include pseudo-binary file formats? It's not "just" wire protocols.

Georg

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