[Python-Dev] PEP 460: allowing %d and %f and mojibake (original) (raw)

Mark Shannon mark at hotpy.org
Sun Jan 12 18:06:46 CET 2014

On 12/01/14 16:52, Kristján Valur Jónsson wrote:

Now you're just splitting hairs, Nick.

An explicit operator, %s, defined to be "encode a string object using strict ascii",

I don't like this because '%s' reads to me as "insert string here". I think '%a' which reads as "encode as ASCII and insert here" would be better.

how is that any less explicit than the .encode('ascii', 'strict') spelt out in full? The language is full of constructs that are shorthands for others, more lengthy but equivalent things. I mean, basically what I am suggesting is that in addition to %b with def helper(o): return str(o).encode('ascii', 'strict') b'foo*%b*bar'%(helper(myobj), ) you have b'foo*%s*bar'%(myobj, ) There is no "data driven change in assumptions." Just an interpolation operator with a clearly defined meaning. I don't think anyone is trying to compromise the text model. All people are asking for is that the boundary is made a little easier to deal with. K ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Nick Coghlan [ncoghlan at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 16:09 To: Kristján Valur Jónsson Cc: python-dev at python.org; Georg Brandl Subject: Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 460: allowing %d and %f and mojibake It is not explicit, it is implicit - whether or not the resulting string assumes ASCII compatibility or not depends on whether you pass a binary value (no assumption) or a string value (assumes ASCII compatibility). This kind of data driven change in assumptions about correctness is utterly unacceptable in the core text and binary types in Python 3.

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