[Python-Dev] PEP 460 reboot (original) (raw)

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Mon Jan 13 08:14:08 CET 2014

On Jan 13, 2014, at 1:59 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:

On 13 January 2014 16:52, Donald Stufft <donald at stufft.io> wrote:

On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:45 AM, Glenn Linderman <v+python at g.nevcal.com> wrote: So then the question is whether to proceed with 3.4, delay this feature to 3.5, or to delay 3.4 to include this feature, both have been discussed, with the justification for the latter being to make 3.4 the ultimate Python 3 porting target for recalcitrant module authors, sooner than later.

I really hope this can make it in 3.4, needing to wait another 2 years or so until this is available would be a shame. Indeed, it would be a shame to have to wait. Fortunately, people don't even need to wait until the release of Python 3.4, they can instead try to help out with the asciicompat project, which aims to provide this functionality in Python 3.3+: https://github.com/jeamland/asciicompat All it takes is to let go of the idea "I wish the Python 3 bytes type was more like the Python 2 str type" and instead think "hmm, the Python 3 bytes type doesn't seem like a great fit for my use case, maybe I need a different type”.

It’s almost a fine fit for the usecase afaict the major thing it’s missing is an easy way to handle this last use case. I don’t see how this proposal is any different than cases such as int(b”1”). ASCII is already special, giving an area that Python3 has made things worse a better way forward isn’t comprising the text model, it’s recognizing the realities of the world.

Regards, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan at gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia

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