[Python-Dev] subclassing builtin data structures (original) (raw)

Isaac Schwabacher ischwabacher at wisc.edu
Fri Feb 13 21:37:27 CET 2015

On 15-02-13, Guido van Rossum wrote:

Are you willing to wait 10 days for an answer? I'm out of round tuits for a while.

IIUC, the argument is that the Liskov Substitution Principle is a statement about how objects of a subtype behave relative to objects of a supertype, and it doesn't apply to constructors because they aren't behaviors of existing objects. So other overriding methods should be able to handle the same inputs that the respective overridden methods do, but constructors don't need to. Even though init is written as an instance method, it seems like it's "morally" a part of the class method new that's only split off for convenience.

If this message is unclear, it's because I don't really understand this myself and I'm trying to articulate my best understanding of what's been said on this thread and those it links to.

ijs

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Alexander Belopolsky <alexander.belopolsky at gmail.com(javascript:main.compose()> wrote:

> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Alexander Belopolsky <alexander.belopolsky at gmail.com(javascript:main.compose()> wrote: > >> > >> FWIW you're wrong when you claim that "a constructor is no different from any other method". Someone else should probably explain this (it's an old argument that's been thoroughly settled). > > > > > > Well, the best answer I've got in the past [1] was "ask on python-dev since Guido called the operator overriding expectation." :-) > > > And let me repost this bit of history [1]: > > Here is the annotated pre-r82065 code: > > 39876 gvanrossum def add(self, other): > 39876 gvanrossum if isinstance(other, timedelta): _> 39928 gvanrossum return self.class(self._days + other.days, _> 39876 gvanrossum self._seconds + other.seconds, _> 39876 gvanrossum self._microseconds + other.microseconds) > 40207 timone return NotImplemented > 39876 gvanrossum > > > > [1] http://bugs.python.org/issue2267#msg125979 > >

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