[Python-Dev] PEP 520: Ordered Class Definition Namespace (original) (raw)

Eric Snow ericsnowcurrently at gmail.com
Fri Jun 10 16:25:10 EDT 2016

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:

On 10 June 2016 at 09:42, Eric Snow <ericsnowcurrently at gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:

That restriction would be comparable to what we do with slots today:

>>> class C: ... slots = 1 ... Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable Are you suggesting that we require it be a tuple of identifiers (or None) and raise TypeError otherwise, similar to slots? The difference is that slots has specific type requirements that do not apply to definitionorder, as well as a different purpose. definitionorder is about preserving definition-type info that we are currently throwing away. If we don't enforce the tuple-of-identifiers restriction at type creation time, everyone that doesn't make it a tuple-of-identifiers is likely to have a subtle compatibility bug with class decorators and other code that assume the default tuple-of-identifiers format is the only possible format (aside from None). To put it in PEP 484 terms: regardless of what the PEP says, people are going to assume the type of definitionorder is Optional[Tuple[str]], as that's going to cover almost all class definitions they encounter. It makes sense to me to give class definitions and metaclasses the opportunity to change the content of the definition order: "Use these names in this order, not the names and order you would have calculated by default". It doesn't make sense to me to give them an opportunity to change the form of the definition order, since that makes it incredibly difficult to consume correctly: "Sure, it's normally a tuple-of-identifiers, but it might be a dictionary, or a complex number, or a set, or whatever the class author decided to make it". By contrast, if the class machinery enforces Optional[Tuple[str]], then it becomes a lot easier to consume reliably, and anyone violating the constraint gets an immediate exception when defining the offending class, rather than a potentially obscure exception from a class decorator or other piece of code that assumes definitionorder could only be None or a tuple of strings.

That makes sense. I'll adjust the PEP (and the implementation).

-eric

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