[Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter? (original) (raw)

Antoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net
Wed May 2 18:01:53 EDT 2018

On Wed, 2 May 2018 22:54:04 +0100 Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com> wrote:

On 2 May 2018 at 22:37, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net> wrote: > To elaborate a bit: the OP, while angry, produced both a detailed > analysis and a PR. It's normal to be angry when an advertised > feature doesn't work and it makes you lose hours of work (or, even, > forces you to a wholesale redesign). Producing a detailed analysis and a > PR is more than most people will ever do.

His other email seems reasonable, and warrants a response, yes. But are we to take the suggestion made here (to drop tkinter) seriously, based on the fact that there's a (rare - at least it appears that the many IDLE users haven't hit it yet) race condition that causes a crash in Python 2.7? (It appears that the problem doesn't happen in the python.org 3.x builds, if I understand the description of the issue).

I and others actually suggested it seriously in the past. Now, admittedly, at least IDLE seems better maintained than it used to be -- not sure about Tkinter itself.

Nor do I think the tone of his message here is acceptable - regardless of how annoyed he is, posting insults ("no-one gives a damn") about volunteer contributors in a public mailing list isn't reasonable or constructive. Call that "playing speech police" if you want, but I think that being offended or annoyed and saying so is perfectly reasonable.

Will all due respect, it's sometimes unpredictable what kind of wording Anglo-Saxons will take as an insult, as there's lot of obsequiosity there that doesn't exist in other cultures. To me, "not give a damn" reads like a familiar version of "not care about something", but apparently it can be offensive.

Regards

Antoine.

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