[Python-ideas] More useful slices (original) (raw)

Skip Montanaro skip.montanaro at gmail.com
Mon Feb 2 19:00:07 CET 2015

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Neil Girdhar <mistersheik at gmail.com> wrote:

This proposal is definitely possible, but is the only argument in its favor saving 5 characters? You already have the shorthand exactly when you most need it (indexing).

As I indicated in an earlier response, there is some performance value to replacing the range function call with this (or other) syntactic sugar. While exceedingly rare, there is nothing to prevent a programmer from redefining the range builtin function or inserting a different version of range() in the local or global scopes:

def my_range(*args):
    # completely ignore args, returning something weird...
return [1, "a", None, 2]

import __builtin__
__builtin__.range = my_range

If you have a for loop which uses range():

for i in range(27):
    do something interesting with i

optimizers like PyPy which aim to be precisely compatible with CPython semantics must look up "range" every time it occurs and decide if it's the real builtin range function, in which case it can emit/execute machine code which is something like the C for loop:

for (i=start; i<stop; i+=step) {
    do something interesting with i
}

or not, in which case it has to call whatever range is, then respond with its list of (arbtrary) Python objects.

Syntactic sugar would lock down the standard behavior.

Skip

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