Pay to play (original) (raw)
Staff Member
May 12, 2010
Club:
Arsenal FC
I talked to the people I know at DA's this week. Depending on the specific club, it's free (minus cost of travel) if you make the team. Or it's about 2,000ayearatthisspecificclubor2,000 a year at this specific club or 2,000ayearatthisspecificclubor160/month.
Certainly not out of the realm of possibility to earn. I pay a kid $20 to mow my lawn, sometimes twice a week. That's 80 bucks for one lawn on the low end per month. Go ref soccer, our refs get paid twenty to thirty bucks for an hour game. Go shovel some driveways or local businesses during the winter. Walk around your neighborhood, knock on some doors and tell them you're trying to earn money for soccer. Every homeowner has a ton little tasks they can't get to and are willing to pay someone to do them—but you can't easily hire people to sort your woodpile or clean out your garage. Call a moving company near you and tell them you'll help unload moving trucks nearby—that pays well too.
Life isn't always a gimme, often we gotta really work to make our dreams happen. 2.
Sep 24, 2014
Club:
Chelsea FC
I get and agree with your point on one level, yes, you have to work hard for your dreams…but $2000 is still a lot of money to for teenager to raise _on his own, without it impacting his schooling or training_…just picking up random jobs at his convenience is unlikely to cut in the long run…most jobs, even part-time ones, require a standing commitment…and I fear squeezing in a job commitment on top of his schooling and soccer commitment will not be as easy as you are making it… in the realm of possibility? Sure…but far from a simply or easy proposition…any job commitment will likely be in direct conflict with his soccer commitment… 3.
May 8, 2014
Club:
Sheffield Wednesday FC
I agree. The American game technically isn't great, but it's a tad harsh because the US were fantastic in Brazil last year... But that's irrelevant.
The fact is, all young players should train with the ball. If you don't train with the ball you don't become a good player. Simple as that really. The US should be a great place for developing players on paper - good facilities, very motivated players.. But the cost ruins it for me. 4.
I could go on for hours what I did not like about the US game in this World Cup. I don't like Klinnesman for a lot of reason. He made his emotions decide how he picked his players instead of taking the players who could have helped him win games.
When the U.S. lets him go see if he would ever get another German team to coach.
Not enough back up at certain positions. Look at altidore after he got hurt. They had a hole at that position that was never filled.
Teams forced our team to pass long and those passes to no one were intercepted over and over.
They were still looking at players three months before the WC. You need three months with the same players when you train for tournament play.
Does it take a lot of skill to make intellent runs without the ball? No, does it take skill to make good runs to make the 15 yard pass in congested space to open up that space. But it takes a lot of practice.
What you never want to see is tge the dribbler isolated by himself. If you see that you know there is a problem. Now watch any of our WC games and see if our dribbler was ever isolated by himself. They were always isolated can't win games when that happens. I like Bradley normally but in the WC he was dreadful. Useless running when defending. Not enough team mates helping him when he had the ball.
Oh well things will get a lot better for us when we play in the next WC under Klinnesmen.
A lot of our other WC teams did certain things well. We should have kept those parts and built our game on doing those things. Then try to make our game even better then that. Instead we hire a new coach who was too stupid to use what we did in the past that worked. Instead he dumps all that was done and starts to build from the beginning all over again. A moron does that. 5.
on kids soccer we should not charge players to play on higher level teams. When I was coach the clubs founders had money to cover the costs or a good part of the costs. We did not ask the parents for money. When you do that they think they own the club.
Kids should be serious players to play club ball. It should be fun but I like to call it serious fun. They can be put under some pressure to push themselves on the practice field. Pressure is not a bad thing as long as you treat every player with respect. In return they gave to treat the club and its coaches with respect.
Guys starting clubs or academies now think it is a money making opportunies for them. Frankly these are opportunities for guys who can't make real money to make some chump change.
We need people in this that already have money plus that love our game, and the player.
I never thought of our game as a money making propersition.
On other coaching sites I actually heard coaches with a D licence trying to make money off that? 6.
Staff Member
May 12, 2010
Club:
Arsenal FC
I disagree, Nick. First off I make a good living from my day job. What the club and super Y pay me is nominal. My club, after we cover costs like fields and insurance and nominal coaching salaries out everything back toward the players.
The way you talk here and on the other boards, I expect you to be the lay person advocating for charity..
Finding a sugar daddy for the clubs IS ideal but we're not there yet. Awhile of kids would not play if we just sat around waiting for a benefactor 7.
When I coached for clubs and had my own clubs. We never let money get in the way of the player playing.
In our area there are a lot of ethnic poor playing. We charged the player 60 dollars a season to play. That is fall spring and tournaments.
The only reason we charged them anything is because we did not want them to think it was charity. We told them the charge one time if they paid us they paid us. Never asked them again if they did not pay.
Our clubs had money.
My clubs I had money to pay for everything needed.
When I coached my adult team for my last club. They paid me 30 thousand a season plus expenses. I used the money on the team this is an adult team. Celebrating wins crying in our beers when we lost things like that.
The players we paid to play. From 60 dollars a game to 600 dollars a game. Guys could not make practices because they had to work. We got them jobs with employers that understand the value of players making practices. Things like that.
I see you coach in the super Y I did as well for a while when it first startered. Then they changed the rules that a super y coach had to have an A licence. Do you have an A or did they lower that standard? 8.
I don't like the pay to play model. What they did wrong is bring the competitive league structure down to U-Littles. It is a waste of money and resources to have all age levels travel for matches. There is no shortage of players before U14. The usual justification for elite teams and leagues is that playing with and against better players is necessary for the development of elite players. Well there is plenty of better local players for youth to compete against is you look beyound the artificial limits of gender and age brackets.
It seems to me that the team/league/age-bracket structure is completely unnecessary to player development through U10 for sure and probably through U12 also. Quality coaching (fundamentals) and playing opportunities are necessary. Referees (use coaches instead) and travel expenses are a waste of money and resources.
For a while now I have been thinking about starting a skills program for youth (targeting U8 to U16). I think that is probably the best way to improve player development. 9.
Feb 17, 2015
Club:
FC Bayern München
Nat'l Team:
--other--
Why do you need to make any money coaching kids who are top players ? Would you ever deny a great player because of financial situation ? 10.
Staff Member
May 12, 2010
Club:
Arsenal FC
Why do your parents need jobs? 11.
Staff Member
May 12, 2010
Club:
Arsenal FC
Top Olympians pay for their training. Boxers pay for their trainers. Tennis players pay for their coaches. AAU teams pay their coaches. Why should soccer be different?
Either way, in most cases some one is paying for the training.
Frankly, I think the "cost" is more of an excuse in this case. 12.
Jul 23, 2011
Club:
FC Dallas
I hate pay to play because soccer is a cheap game at its most elementary level (all you need is a ball). That said, in order to get good training and coaching from qualified instructors, funding has to come from somewhere.
If there isn’t enough funding for a club outside of the players (via an affiliated parent club, large endowment, etc.) then the only way to fund it is with the players…what we are calling pay to play. Time is money and most people aren’t going to volunteer several hours a week for no compensation so they need to be paid somehow. Especially if they paid money out of their own pocket to get educated in those fields.
And for full disclosure, I’m a rec coach. I volunteer and have no desire to get paid. But that’s because there would be high performance expectations should I get paid. I use coaching as a “release” from the real world – jobs, relationships, etc. Soccer helps me forget about that crap if only for a couple of hours. Last thing I need are more stress factors in the form of parents coming at me with pitchforks. Rec parents are generally just happy that someone with soccer experience is coaching as opposed to a volunteer parent. 13.
May 9, 2015
Club:
Real Madrid
14.
Jan 11, 1999
Nat'l Team:
United States