[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement? (original) (raw)

Guido van Rossum guido at python.org
Fri Sep 27 20:31:32 CEST 2013

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Donald Stufft <donald at stufft.io> wrote:

On Sep 27, 2013, at 2:14 PM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen at xemacs.org> wrote: > Also, I think that proponents of backporting this PEP are missing > something important. Specifically, why are we encouraging the use of > Python 2.7 for "new users"? Shouldn't we use this as an opportunity > to say, "Move to Python 3.4 and forget the 'agony of installing pip' > issue forever?" Because reality is that new users are still likely to be using Python 2.7. Python 3 is just now starting to be really usable, however there's a huge corpus of existing tutorials, course work, books etc for Python 2.7. As Python 3 becomes more usable that existing corpus of material will be ported over to Python 3 but in the interim there is still a pretty large hurdle for new users to get over. That's assuming that they are even able to use Python 3 and whatever they are trying to do with all of their libraries are ported to Python3. I still think Python 2.7 is a better target for new users because if you're using Python 3.x theirs a high chance you'll need to port a library or two still.

Based on my day-to-day experience this is still very true. (And yes, I'm slowly turning the tide. But it will take a long time and I am committed to giving users the choice.)

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